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Can Liz Cheney's Actions be Defended?

: Only If Ann Coulter does it!!!!
Liz Cheney and her friend Bill Kristol have taken on the mantle of "making America safe". Their latest ad has been making the headlines lately. Michelle Malkin actually thanked Liz Cheney and her organization for exposing these guys. Ann Coulter outdid Michelle Malkin. Her column in Human Events was quite extra-ordinary read.

As I read her column, I had to simply wonder: does she actually think about this stuff before she writes it? She makes a lot of money be provocative, outright rude and insulting. I also have to really question her sanity. She questioned the intergrity of other lawyers and frankly was racist when she noted that the lawyers had to be told in Arabic that "You're No Atticus Finch". Well, someone needs to tell her that her law education is not worth the paper it is written on because she seems not to understand what the law is and what the Constitution stands for.

There is one thing that she noted in her so-called column that I also wanted to take issue with. The Lawyer who defened the killer of George Tiller has to be accorded the same respect and dignity for defending that killer's rights as the lawyers who went to help military lawyers work on the cases at Guantanamo. They're all defense lawyers who serve as the last line of defense against the ever-reaching expansion of State Power. I am sure that Ms. Coulter must have read and thought about the fundemental principals of American Jurispudence at some moment in her law school career. I have to truly wonder.

As for her contentions on Guantanamo, Ms. Coulter should spend thirty minutes checking out the film "the response" and make sure she's truly educated about the plight of those at Guantanamo before sitting in judgement and defending those who seem to truly have no clue at all.
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1. March 12th 2010 @ 12:24. S.L. Says:
Instead of vilifying Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin and Liz Cheney, Mike, why not try thinking a little bit first? Or are you going to act on "feelings" alone like most liberals do?

Those kind, sweet, probably innocent "victims" at Gitmo do need representation, true, even in a military tribunal. That's the law. I resent my tax dollars paying for it, especially if they are released and return to kill more Americans. (The recidivism rate isn't good). Funny how quickly some people can forget 9/11 and refer to those of us who understand that it can happen again as "fear mongers". If more people had paid attention to all the previous attacks, maybe we could have prevented 9/11.

I have to question the motives of those who want to defend terrorists. And the motives of a government that places those same lawyers in positions of power.
2. March 13th 2010 @ 05:25. RubySoho Says:
How do you share your country with these people? It's sickening.

Notice how these are all the same people who jumped up and down about those American Baptists who got busted trying to smuggle kids out of Haiti? Something about them not getting a fair trial or lawyers or something? Load of hypocrites.

Sometimes I think they are all actors trying to see if there is anything they say that will make people go 'hang on a minute, that's crazy even for me'. But nope. Seems nothing is too crazy for the far right to believe. Nothing.
3. March 13th 2010 @ 08:48. Morgan Bell Says:
maybe someone should tell Liz Cheney that if she wants to live in a country where people have no rights to a fair trial she should move to one of the Muslim dictatorships
4. March 15th 2010 @ 10:46. Jim Stillman Says:
You ask whether Ms Cheney’s comments and those of her apologists in the media generally and, in particular, on this site, can be defended. As a former practicing attorney, I would certainly be compelled to offer a possible defense. (I note for the record as we lawyer folks say, that leaders and responsible voices from the Right and Left of the political spectrum have universally condemned Ms Cheney for her equating the honorable role of an attorney with the dishonorable character of a defendant, and finding equivalence.)

The defense that I would posit is that Ms Cheney operates in a fantasy world, bounded by ignorance and limited by paranoia. She has no historical knowledge, no concept of the nature of the glories of this country and its liberties, and no awareness of the development of our legal system.

Ms Cheney, and her supporters, pay lip service to the statement that, of course, every accused is entitled to representation – just not good representation. An accused defendant is presumed to be innocent – unless it’s really “clear” that the SOB did it.

The sarcasm in a previous post is childlike, but also telling:

Those kind, sweet, probably innocent "victims" at Gitmo do need representation, true, even in a military tribunal. That's the law. I resent my tax dollars paying for it, especially if they are released and return to kill more Americans. [Emphasis supplied]


and

I have to question the motives of those who want to defend terrorists.

Thus the real danger is “especially if they are released”. Thus the defense is satisfactorily presented only if it is, by definition, unsuccessful! And the “motive” of those attorneys who are ethically mandated to offer a vigorous defense, by the way, is to protect the freedoms enjoyed by the rest of us.

Of course, one can always blame Bill Clinton or confiscatory taxes or those stupid liberals
5. March 15th 2010 @ 11:00. S.L. Says:
Every bit as liberal as usual, Jim. Since they pleaded GUILTY, it seems reasonable to take a wild guess that maybe they are GUILTY, doesn't it? So, why do we need a trial to begin with? And if they are found not GUILTY after admitting their guilt, don't you think there's just the teensiest possibility that they'll go back to killing at the first opportunity? Or would you like to blame that on Bush, Gitmo, or what?
6. March 15th 2010 @ 11:19. Jim Stillman Says:
Nope, SL, I do not “blame” President Bush, the Cheneys (pere et fille), or anyone else. I was pointing out that when an attorney defends a person accused of a crime, the attorney is defending all of us. That is not a “liberal position”, in fact it is quite conservative. It has been part of our freedoms for the past 1000 years (1066 and all that stuff) and, indeed, going back to Biblical times.
If a person “admits” guilt, without having the government prove its prima facie case before a fair and unbiased tribunal, are we to then impose punishment? Seems to me that that system has a few flaws.
7. March 15th 2010 @ 13:37. S.L. Says:
I was once, long ago, in a position to aim some angry people at a serial killer. I talked them out of it because I wanted the monster to have a fair trial. He had already confessed and even lead police to one of the bodies, there was no doubt of his guilt. My reasoning was to make sure whether anyone else was involved in the murders.

That being said, if all the evidence points to one person and that person has confessed, why should we spend a fortune on a trial? Not to mention what it puts the victims through, having to relive their tragedy.
8. March 15th 2010 @ 15:49. Mike Pouraryan Says:
Thank you all for your visits. Very spirited indeed....
9. March 15th 2010 @ 21:45. RubySoho Says:
SL, I think the problem with some of the inmates at GItmo is that there IS no evidence. And any confessions were the result of the harsh interrogation and sleep deprivation. In other words- torture.
10. March 15th 2010 @ 22:18. S.L. Says:
I doubt that Khalid Sheik Mohammad or the two who were scheduled to be tried with him fits that category, Ruby. I also seem to recall that those who were returned to their home countries and started killing again didn't have a lot of evidence against them. They aren't locked up for being boy scouts, to begin with. And they're allowed to study their hate manuals and talk about it with their friends until I wouldn't want any of them living next door to me. How about you?
11. March 15th 2010 @ 22:25. Morgan Bell Says:
SL you should watch a film called "Goyas Ghosts" to understand how worthless a confession is if obtained through torture . . . its a shame "interrogation" techniques and principles have not improved since the inquisition
12. March 15th 2010 @ 22:31. S.L. Says:
If the lives of people you care about depended on getting the truth from a bad guy, Morgan, would you ask him "pretty please" and give up if he refused to talk? Or would you use "enhanced interrogation techniques" to save the lives of your loved ones? What's more important to you? Making sure a terrorist is comfy or saving lives?
13. March 18th 2010 @ 16:22. Mike Pouraryan Says:
Thanks again for all of you who have visited and shared their thoughts. The reports I have reviewed, for instance, have noted that the Nigerian guy they got spilled the beans after the FBI undertook some old fashioned policework..including getting the family involved, making sure that he was not tortured, etc. So, treating people reasonably well does indeed work. Water boarding is not right, it does not work and it has proven to be a bonzaza to al qaeda. People no less than General Petraues have said so.

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